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Ep. 15 - Embracing Holistic Healing: Quantum Neuro Reset Therapy and the Synergy of Mind-Body Wellness

• Renee Barasch

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Embark on a transformative health journey with me, Renee Barasch, and my esteemed guest Dr. Cari Jacobson, as we unravel the intricate tapestry of holistic wellness. Prepare to discover the profound interplay between emotional well-being and physical health, and how our bodies whisper – or sometimes shout – for balance through symptoms. This episode is a treasure trove of insights, exploring the wonders of Quantum Neuro Reset Therapy (Q&RT) and its capacity to reshape our emotional and physical landscapes, with a special focus on the powerful influence of the hypothalamus.

Have you ever considered that your body's aches and ailments might be cries for help, signaling deeper imbalances? Dr. Cari and I dive into the holistic philosophy that looks beyond the surface, seeking to heal the root causes of health issues. From the remarkable benefits of supplements when used wisely, to the transformative potential of Q&RT, we cover the spectrum of proactive health practices. And if the thought of muscle testing seems daunting, our discussion will reveal its empowering aspects, demystifying the process and underscoring the value of tuning into your body's unique messages.

Concluding our wellness odyssey, we paint the picture of an idyllic health and wellness retreat, merging the best of homeopathic remedies, cutting-edge therapies, and the serene environment of a Caribbean getaway. Picture yourself basking in the healing powers of light therapy or learning about the health-boosting properties of quality olive oil. Join us as we contemplate the creation of this pinnacle of holistic care, designed to rejuvenate and revitalize the mind, body, and spirit. Whether you're seeking support from Dr. Cari's team or my virtual services, we are here to guide you toward a life of vibrant health.





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Renee:

Welcome everybody to the Tummy Whisperer podcast. I am your host, renee Barish. I'm very excited to piggyback on our last episode because we're losing Dr Carrie with her stream, but we've got her hopefully full time here today for our episode. She's hardwired in Thanks to her wonderful husband, and I'm so excited because I got so many inquiries on our last episode about how to roll out some new health in 2024.

Renee:

People are curious about their symptoms. They're curious about what they can do to better themselves. I'm sure there's a lot of people that feel fine, but there's more people that don't feel fine that can use some help and some answers as far as how to better themselves, and there's so many wonderful tools and opportunities out there for great practitioners to partner with you for your health. So, as everybody knows, I do gut health and I help people feel better in their tummy and their digestive system and detoxification pathways and all the things that slow down your health. So what does slowing down your health look like? Looks like symptoms, right, and my mentor, dr Loomis, always spells symptoms with dollar signs at the front and the back, because with your symptoms you've got to pay money right to your health care practitioners, to your doctors. And how do we, how do we slow down our symptoms and how do we get into a place of balance and feeling good? So we're going to just piggyback on Dr Carey's how she started with, talking about the emotions and the chemistry and how it all relates to how it all translates into how our body expresses what it expresses, whether it's a gas, a bloating, an emotion, a rash, a joint issue name it right Anything. The body has such an innate wisdom and the body wants to do. The body wants to be in balance. We just have to give it the tools, we just have to give it the right things, whether it's an essential oil to help change your brain chemistry, or a flower essence, or a gluten-free something that you're removing some hard chemistry that your body responds to. So this isn't about taking away reasons that your body responds to things, but it's about helping your body stay in balance through this toxic world that we live in, with unclean water, bad air quality, shitty food.

Renee:

I won't go down the vaccine route, but anyway there's a lot of things that really mess us all up. So in this episode we're going to go forward and we're going to just give you guys lots of answers and there's going to be something for everybody. So with that I'm going to turn it over to Dr Kerry Jacobson, who is my dear friend, trusted colleague, and I'll just also let you guys know I was in her office last week for the first time in a few years to get my own Q and R T from Dr Naomi and it was just wonderful and I'll just give you the quick version of what I left with. So she muscle tests, right, energy tests, to see what's going on and where the blocks are. And sure enough, one of the things that came up was people piss me off. What a surprise. So she's has me doing this, blowing out my mouth, testing, raise my shoulder, spin three times, say the sentence and before I'm doing it you have this, you can feel it in your body, like people piss me off. And when I say it it's like, yeah, people piss me off, for whatever reason, and that's just normal. So we go through the session, I get done.

Renee:

She has me repeat the things that were that she found and the first time I was saying it I couldn't even get it out of my mouth because I felt it in my body and I was like, yeah, I can't even.

Renee:

I couldn't even finish the sentence got done with the treatment. Everything was flowing out and my body just felt at peace. So I walked out of the office feeling like all my cells were like back online. And when I think about these things that maybe bother me, it's like I almost can't get upset at like people's shortcomings, like it's not really about me and it is about me, but their shit is not about me. So how do you feel? Okay with other people's misgivings? You just rewire your brain. And that's one of the beautiful things about Q&RT and I got to experience it last week and I'm going next week and I'm bringing my husband in for some marriage counseling, also known as Q&RT. So it was a wonderful experience. And with that, dr Carey, just take it away, just dive in and just please tell everybody how you help people and what you do and yeah.

Dr. Cari:

So I opened the Optimal Holistic Health Center in June of 2010 and I've been in practice for about 17-ish years as a doctor of chiropractic, and I generally say I'm a chiropractic kinesiologist and holistic doctor because I'm certified in practice probably about 20 different modalities and it just allows me to access the body structurally, biochemically, emotionally, energetically, and that when a different aspect of the body or being is out of balance, the rest of it falls. So, as an applied kinesiologist, we look at the triad of health and if one aspect of the triad is out of balance emotions, structure, whatever the whole triangle falls apart, kind of thing. So that's the holistic approach. It allows me to get more to the root cause and, generally speaking, I say I don't treat the symptom, I treat the body. When the body's in balance, we're able to thrive. So the symptom is just the smoke signal that says yo, there's a problem somewhere in there. And what I want to say is that more people and I don't know if I've said this before with you guys, but more people spend more money in the last few days of their life to try to stay alive than they do their entire life to just be healthy, live more vibrantly, and that's the truth.

Dr. Cari:

People, generally they I had people over at my place and Renee and I have she's, I think you beat me on supplements, which I think, so I have a literal apothecary in my, just because we do so between my husband and I and even my dog like we have so many supplements and they just accumulate and it's insane. But I always say, build up your arsenal, have tools and strategies and somebody or many people to support you to be in that state of health, preventative health and wellness. So we just had Darrell had a like a training that happened. He does something called poetry pals and it's about bringing the youth of Jewish, christian and Muslim, Muslim youth together to celebrate differences and so they had a training here and we have out this monster cabinet with all the supplements and all the things and a couple of people are like, oh my god, you guys take all of those things and these are not all of them all the time, but we have what we take and then if we need things, it's here and it keeps us healthy and well.

Dr. Cari:

And it was such a new concept, literally it could not be barely grasped. Wait what? Because this idea of actually preventing and helping build up the body and build up the foundation and prevent you from getting sick, or that, if everyone around you is sneezing, you might sneeze for a day, but loom your system just able to what's it give yourself. You start building your system up and then, after a day or so, you up your water, you up your supplements, you have a good night's sleep and it's done. It doesn't have to be a 10 day cold or a three week cold, like a lot of people are experiencing now. It can be a couple of days and then you're back up and down.

Renee:

Yeah and on top of that, if I may, dr Kerry, excuse me for interrupting, but in terms of supplements, it is so important to have an arsenal and I'll say I know Dr Kerry gets this in her clinic I get it as well. So when people come to us with the graveyard of supplements that they're not sure what to take, they're not sure what's working. Empower your clients to help them understand how they can muscle test themselves, have a professional muscle test you, or help but know that you have an arsenal of your elderberry or whatever you need, your digestive enzymes, your probiotics, whatever it is, so that you know what to take. And help empower your clients so that they can feel comfortable. They don't have to rely on you. That's a huge part of how Dr Kerry and I both wanna help our clients. It's just about empowerment.

Renee:

I love kicking people out of the nest. Just go, be free, fly, have fun. I'm here if you need me. And it's so funny that you talked about celebrating differences. Real quickly, mark's birthday was yesterday and I went to a really cool shop in Crystal Lake and I had a tarot card reading and one of the cards was celebrate differences and Dr Kerry just said it today and I'm like, holy moly, no surprises here. Anyway, carry on yeah.

Dr. Cari:

I was gonna say like the right thing at the wrong time is the wrong thing, and a lot of people come into my office with a grocery bag full of stuff from like Costco, walgreens and the way that it's manufactured. They're not all created equally Correct. The way that it's manufactured fish oil especially. It's super rancid more often than not by the time it gets into your mouth, so you do need to know where it's sourced. I have a whole store at the Optimal specifically, so I can ensure that people are getting good quality supplements there's. I don't know if you have a full script account.

Renee:

Yeah, yeah, I do.

Dr. Cari:

I have full script. You have full script so people can probably find it in our bio links and they can shop there. So if you need a vitamin D or like things that you think are simple and easy vitamin B, vitamin D, a vitamin C get a good quality one, because vitamin C is sourced from corn nine times out of 10 and corn is super toxic. It's one of the highest sprayed grains out there. Yeah, absolutely disgusting. Yeah, and it was hybridized before it was. I could go on. I hope it's not on corn, but anyway it was hybridized before it was genetically modified.

Dr. Cari:

So even when it says non-GMO, it's still super chaotic from a biological point of view and it can super mess you up. So gluten free doesn't mean go eat a bunch of corn, which a lot of things are made of corn when they're gluten free. So you have to be mindful and understand and be educated to really get where things are sourced and not. And again, if you don't, you're talking to Renee or you're talking to someone like me or one of the doctors in our office, because or listen to our free health classes. It doesn't have to cost money to educate. There's so much great information. There's a lot of shit information out there too, though.

Dr. Cari:

People.

Renee:

There is too. And then even in terms of supplement even Dr Carey's mentioning take a good B vitamin. They do testing in their office for methylation and just real quickly go down that rabbit hole so you can take the wrong B vitamin. Because if you don't what's called down, regulate or clear certain B vitamins, you it's almost like you guys remember that I always explain methylation like this do you always remember the toy, the slinky that? So methylation is the same thing as a slinky. When the slinky gets caught on one of the stairs and it doesn't go forward, that's your liver not clearing what it needs to clear. So, dr Carey's office, they can muscle test for methylation. They can do energy testing for methylation. They can do actual testing for methylation to see if you need a little more B6, at a little less B12 or a type of B12. That is super, super important with supplements. I definitely say don't take supplements willy nilly, don't guess, test and talk to a professional in terms of your supplementation. So off my soapbox.

Dr. Cari:

I love.

Janine:

Too, and I think to interject. That's such a great point because so many people have this. It's funny, like you were saying, start to carry. You're like people just pay attention towards the end of their life but they make Excuses as to why they're not taking supplements. Because they're probably taking number one, the wrong ones and they're not seeing a change because they're not getting the dosage that they need. They're not getting the correct supplementation that they need and people just don't know what they don't know.

Dr. Cari:

So unless they're seeing A specialist in that field that can help them with that, they're going to have a salty taste in their mouth about Taking something because they just don't know they don't know, and then they'll blame genetics and I'm like no, genetics is the blueprint, and Dr Bruce Lipton wrote the biology belief, and the way he describes it is that If everything that was genetic Expressed, it would be like this oh, look at that piece of land. I have a blueprint of a building that I want to build. Let me throw the blueprint on the land and I'm going to drive back tomorrow and the building will be built. But that's actually how it works. It's perfect. So much time to write. You've got to get the metals and the woods and the nails and the people and the building and the, and it's months and years, and months and years and to like actually get that to happen.

Dr. Cari:

So a lot has to take place before that genetic imprint actually shows. So a lot of people make a lot of excuses. It mostly comes, unfortunately and I don't mean this from judgment, but from ignorance, because they don't know what they don't know, just like you said, and yeah, it's fascinating. There was something else I wanted to say, but oh, I love what you said about the whole slinky thing and then I wanted to divert a second. So the methylation piece is really interesting and pretty much it goes to our genetic imprint as I was talking about genetics there that we have specific what's called genetic snips that either express or don't express, or are available to us or just don't really work in us. So some people, as you were saying, methylate or break things down very efficiently, and other people, a lot of people, have thrown up the mth fr like that's a snip. So that's one that people tend to know about, and if that you don't have mth fr, you don't methylate well, you can't detoxify well. Those are the people that tend to be extra sensitive to toxins like A shot or a medicine or or something like that, because they can't get rid of the toxic components Efficiently and effectively.

Dr. Cari:

So then the question is how do we get to the root cause on a biochemical level? And that's this jade on's methylation work that we do. It's super interesting. It's a little bit slow and steady. When's the race on that one? In terms of that, there are ways that I can cut in to find primary toxin and help them Handle the toxin while we're getting their genetics to actually work for them. But, just like you said for a b vitamin, some people over methylate and so if you take a methylated b vitamin, it actually can create more toxin you might need, like the adeno hydroxy b vitamin, so it's a different form that allows your body to utilize it. And that's where I also am saying like it's not all created equally. You need to really understand the biochemical components of how your specific body breaks things down or doesn't, and then we find very specifically what's going to actually make your body run more efficiently so that you're less likely to get sick all the time, have digestive issues all the time, like whatever it may be.

Renee:

Yeah, and it's and very well put and it's so true. And just to piggyback on what we were saying earlier, I always tell my clients pay now for your health or pay later. You're paying out for your organic and your practitioner and be healthy and enjoy your life, or pay later, when you're in a tailspin and maybe you can't even get out of it.

Dr. Cari:

So Spend money now that much longer to get out of it. So it's like if you're driving a car and your check engine light goes on and you're like, oh, that's really annoying to look at that light, so you're like, fucking, I'm gonna ignore it. But you keep driving. It's really annoying. So you're like you know what? I'm pulling over to the side of the road, I'm just gonna cut the wire to that light. Good idea? Not right, because we do that a lot, though, with our own body. So we cut the wire to the light and we keep driving our car and what's gonna eventually happen? It will break down. Your engine will break down on the side of the road it

Dr. Cari:

now not only do you have to call for a tow truck, freakin, get a brand new engine or whatever, because the whole thing just fried, because you ignore this, the thing that just all it needed was some oil, right, and so on and so forth, so like it could have been a five to ten minute thing and they just greased it up and Reconnected whatever they need to reconnect, and then light goes off, boom, boom, everything's great. Or it could be thousands of dollars, many days or weeks or months, and then it still might not run that great because it just super fried. Yeah, we do that to our body and we're like you know what I'm gonna ignore. It's normal for me to get headaches every day, so that's cool, so I'm just used to it, so maybe it'll go away.

Dr. Cari:

Five most dangerous words and then. And then it's just like the symptoms are ignored. So then the body starts screaming louder. So now I'm bloaty, whatever, I'm always bloaty after I eat, so I'll just eat a little bit differently. Gee, I'm still bloaty, but now I'm really hurting and I'm super constipated. That's okay, I'll just ignore that. And so then it just keeps.

Dr. Cari:

Your body will just start to scream and scream. Now You're not pooping. So now the toxins are overloading into your body. Now you start to now your joints hurt because your whole system is inflamed. Your whole system's inflamed and now you have arthritis. People live with arthritis for years, decades, and never have any pain. Arthritis doesn't necessarily have to equate to pain, right, it just does when every all the systems are go and they're basically trying to tell you to do something about it. And if we don't know that every time we eat we're fueling the fire because we're eating refined sugar and gluten and corn and Dairy, then we don't realize that literally were the problem and we, right, it's it and and and so many people don't even realize with joint pain that it mostly unless there's any kind of Direct trauma that comes from the gut usually most of the time.

Renee:

And two, in terms of dr Kira, is mentioning your genetics and your genes and how these things turn on. These genetics, these genetic snips, turn on in our body from our diet, our environment, our emotions. This is how the body turns on all these things that now create, maybe, a detoxification pathway impairment. When I had my q and r t with dr Naomi and I'm super excited for my appointment next week I felt like my, like she helped me detoxify my emotions, not turning them off, but helping my body down, regulate this, these pathways, this, this shit, right. So it's the same thing biochemically in the body if you've got these all of a sudden impairments where your body can't get rid of waste. Look at your diet, look at your environment, look at your emotions. It's all part of it, right?

Dr. Cari:

and I have to say number one what you do is so important, renai, because that foundational piece of really getting digestive health and getting the diet right Is the foundation of health, because the fuel we put in affects how we function and if we eat crap, we feel like crap and if we want to eat well for our body, we get to function amazingly.

Dr. Cari:

And it makes my work so much easier because I educate on that. But it takes a while to find the rhythm of that and have someone hold me accountable and give you so I've got recipes and I've got this, but like where I can thrive is really going deeper beyond that. That's foundational, yeah, and people miss that because, listen, the digestion, that gut health, is that gut brain connection. So many people are brain foggy, they can't sleep well at night, they are Consipated or have diarrhea or get bloating and gassy, like I said. Then you get a backup of toxins that just adds to a whole stream of symptoms and discomfort. So that piece of gut health is like legit, so important. So I just want to drive that home because your work is so very important and like really creating that foundation.

Renee:

Yeah, thank you. It's a piece, the part of the triad right. You can't have one without the other.

Dr. Cari:

You got to have it all it's true, it's true, but it is really foundational. And the other piece is that I wanted to just share that q and r t because we talked about it last time but the people that haven't listened to that part one yet quantum neuro reset therapy. Quantum neuro reset therapy, and essentially what it does is it allows the brain Guide the process. The brain works very linearly and it allows us to access the lobe of the brain because, like rena, you're a loving, yummy person. You want to love people. So the fact that you have been running, though, with a program of people piss me off, it's not your nature. It's a reactive survival pattern, not really like you're.

Dr. Cari:

The true essence of you is not that, like you, like walk around and you're like people piss me off and not really you're not an angry person. And yet when we find ourselves charged up and in that state of I want to literally kill everyone, everyone's thoughts, like fuck everyone and everything, there's a. It's like what's? I always say. Like when I get really charged and I'm like Where's this really coming from? I need to put my arm up on that. I need to get muscle tested. I need to find out what's the root of why I'm in this reactive place, because this is not balanced, this is not love, and and who I am from that true space we all are, I really believe Comes from this place of light and love.

Dr. Cari:

But when we're not there, what's really going on? It could be a genetic imprint that you came in with, so it's literally all you've ever known. You're like, nope, that's me. It just is, I'm an asshole and I blah, blah, blah and that's how I run and it's like when is that really coming from? So when you can access that cortices of the brain, the cortex of the brain, the cranial nerves associated, the emotions associated according to the hypothalamus, and the different reflex points, and reset it all at the same time, it is literally magic. And I had some of my men for very first time ever. I never had she been treated and she came because she was excited about q&r t and I was like let's rock it. We said for decades I've been in so much pain I can barely walk, but I love living in active life and she actually lives that foundational piece. She coaches people on nutrition.

Renee:

Nice and.

Dr. Cari:

But she was in a ton of pain, like her feet killed, and I was like let's just see if there's a brain component. I'm dealing with the feet and the hands that just keep you up. You literally wake her up at night. They're so painful. I said let's just see. I'm curious. And sure enough there was, on both pain and inflammation and red light, green light. So we usually have to enter and Whatever we cleared, I don't know it went super deep, though Foundational.

Dr. Cari:

The first several Q and R T's are always going to be foundational, the lower portions of the brain, and what I mean by that is the cerebellum, the midbrain, the brainstem or cerebral medulla, and because the brain needs to access that first before you go into the upper portion. So anyway, we finished and she's literally the pain has decreased and we did all these muscle tests and they were strong where they were weak before and she's, I'm like, literally feeling more space in my body, my body's not hurting as much and as she moved through the week, less and less, no disruption in her sleep. This is just one session. This is the magic of Q and R T. It is literally the most profound work I've ever done it is it is.

Renee:

That is such a beautiful story and, if I may piggyback on that, yeah, I've been having issues with my lungs for about a year and a half. It's quite scary. I feel like I can finally get air into my lungs and I know there's a huge emotional component to it and that is absolutely just beyond profoundly scary when I'm having to put a pulse ox on my finger to see if I'm dying Right and now. And there's a hormonal piece. There's an emotional mechanism.

Renee:

But one of the things Dr Naomi shared with me when she tested me she said you're high functioning but you're exhausted and I'm like that resonates right Because I'm just on go. But she rejiggered the part of my brain that needed it, she said. She explained how some people start with a different part, but I had that intact. So she went to the next place and it was very foundational. Like I said, I just feel like life is completely different from just that one session.

Renee:

And Dr Currier is mentioning there's an air traffic control center in the brain called the hypothalamus, which is, in my world, responsible for your cravings and what you want to eat and all that kind of stuff.

Renee:

So I always tell my clients your cravings and your hunger doesn't come from your stomach, it's your brain saying, hey tongue, go get that chocolate and you're like, yes, I'm on it. So when you can have really good brain functioning, firing and having it work the way it's supposed to work, that's what's, in my professional opinion, my honest personal opinion that's how your body starts to thrive. It really comes from the hard drive from the brain, and the brain is that's what sends the signals to everything else in your body. So when you can rewire that brain and help lift off some of that wiring or change it so that the brain is firing properly, everything can go back into place. In fact, I was just talking with a dear colleague this morning that Dr Kerry and I know, and I think she's going to be bringing her daughter over to Dr Naomi for a foot issue for some Q and RT, and I'm excited to see how she does with that.

Dr. Cari:

So yeah, it does literally change the wiring and it releases it. It releases it, it allows space for you to actually function, because when there's trauma of any kind of just any symptom doesn't necessarily mean there's a brain component. So Dr John Turner, who created this, created it from major accidents that he was involved in. He had the best physical work ever. He was not getting well. He could barely function through a day or even a half a day, and he ended up downloading this work and creating it through studies and so on and his whole thing was like if it was physical it would have fixed.

Dr. Cari:

But my brain is holding on to the trauma and it will do that to help us survive and cope. So when we can release the traumas, when we can release the patterns that are held there to help us survive, thinking that it's doing a great thing for our body and our life. But really it's actually keeping us in a trauma cycle and it's keeping us in the symptom. When it can clear and release, your body's actually able to heal and amazing things happen. So just because you have a symptom, it doesn't mean there's a brain component. So we always check to see Now. It doesn't mean that as we clear other things. It won't release the actual thing that's happening in that part of the body.

Dr. Cari:

But, like I said, I look directly at the foot and the hands to see is there a brain component? And there was with that particular patient. But there have been times where I go over this hip thing or the SI joint or the sciatica and it's like there's not a brain component, which tells me that it's probably more physical. There could be some emotional stuff, but we've got to get the physical right first. So the body will always guide what it needs. And it is really fascinating, but it is. It's an incredible release, you know.

Renee:

It is, and on the emotional component too, I've done a lot of work on myself. A lot of people do a lot of work and they don't want to revisit the trauma. And this work doesn't have you revisited, it just fucking removes it. It's done, yeah.

Dr. Cari:

The one thing is like balls to the wall the biggest go-getter that there ever was and she constantly struggles in her finances and she affirms and she coaches people and she's legit, she is baller, she creates, she's a mega creator, but for whatever reason, she's always blocked to move next level on a financial space. We weren't working on finances, we were just seeing where her brain guided. Sure enough, it was a genetic component. It went back a few generations on one of her family sides and it was really wrapped into this part of her that did not feel worthy of experiencing prosperity. It wasn't abundant. She was good with abundance prosperity.

Renee:

Interesting.

Dr. Cari:

It went really deep and I was like honey, you could affirmation all you want, you are never going to get there because the way too deep. It was a deep seated program that had to be reprogrammed for her to realign to really who she is, and I am going to be very curious to see what she's able to create. This just happened like a couple of days ago. Yeah, to see what she's able to now create because she's a go-getter. She doesn't sit on her ass like the world should just bring me prosperity. She works her ass off. She's out there inspiring and igniting and creating people to be more ambitious and yet she's like running into walls. What is that? That's?

Renee:

so nice.

Dr. Cari:

It wasn't a match. She was like what's really going on? It was beyond her. But it was in grains. I'm a failure. I'm a legit failure, and that's what was running as the survival.

Renee:

And it's so interesting that you bring that up too, because there's nobody in this world that doesn't have some kind of stress. So it's emotional, financial, whatever it is. And really changing that brain chemistry is such a beautiful thing to be able to help them receive release. And the testing that you guys do is not only saying, hey, it might not be the brain. If there is a hip issue, if there is a spine and neck issue, maybe it is a structural component. It does address the structure for sure, but always check back with the brain because more than likely, with doing this work that you do, is it safe to say that a lot of stuff goes back to the brain? What do you think?

Dr. Cari:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, and actually you were talking about muscle testing. Dr Naomi is teaching a muscle testing class in person. Unfortunately, you can't take it online because it's so tangible. Yeah, but it's like her third class that she's teaching, back by popular demand. People are going crazy because they want to learn how they too can access and really be able to test what works for them or not. And then, once she finishes this, we're going to set an advanced class so people can take it. Yet another step further, but I believe it's February 11th. It's on the be optimalcom. It's on our classes page, as we have a whole calendar of events. Yes, so, yeah, so people can find it there and register. I think there's a handful of spots left, but it literally sells out every time. So, if you want it, yeah, I know it's not that expensive. I think it's 35 bucks or some 40 bucks. Yeah, and it's like a Sunday afternoon, your Sunday morning, I think.

Renee:

Oh fun. I think that's a great way for people who aren't sure, because so many doubters like I don't think I'm doing it right and it's your net. There's no wrong way to do it. You get your answer how you get your answer.

Dr. Cari:

So but you just got to feel it, because the skeptics are like, yeah, that looks fucking weird, there's no way, and it's, yeah, it does.

Renee:

But come feel it, you'll see, and if you're doing it if you're doing it organically and for the betterment of the person. And I actually go back to the story. My husband was at some kind of seminar and somebody was up on stage telling some multi-level marketing product and he the guy brought somebody else up on stage and did muscle testing and it was just a shit show it was. He was getting all the wrong answers because he was trying to sell him something and it was embarrassing. So when you come at it from a real, genuine place, like Dr Carrie and her team does, of trying to help and get the answers with no practitioner agenda, no bias, none of that Just the conduit of what does this person need?

Renee:

Not only do you get clear, organic answers right, you're able to help guide that person and help direct them and help empower them for their better health. It's just so important there's. You can't just rely on your practitioners, you have to be self-sufficient. We are here to light the way for people. We're here to give you ideas and hope and help and share laughs and tears and all the stuff that we do as practitioners right. But we want to guide the way for you so that you can make it down your path and we're always here for you guys. I mean, dr Carrie loves doing what she does. It's clear she wouldn't be in practice 17 years. I'm coming up on my 20th year. I still love what I do. It is just such a joy when people say I have been feeling so poorly and just this one dietary change, I'm sleeping and I'm. I don't have to worry about where the bathroom is and I've got my life back.

Dr. Cari:

I think Renee almost bring it back home to from the beginning of like, how are we moving into 2024 to be healthier? And I think one of the things that I've chosen to do for me is how can I show up to love myself more today? And if I love myself and you can look at it from the triad if I'm showing up to love myself today, what do I choose to do for myself, my body structurally today? Does it feel good to move it and exercise? What kind of exercise? You know what?

Dr. Cari:

I'm feeling a little tired, I think. Just a brisk walk and getting fresh air in nature, that feels good. Or I feel like I need to sweat my ass off. I'm going bald to the wall. I'm going Peloton I'm going to. Or it feels really good to sit in the infrared sauna. I need to sweat out the toxins. I just feel disgusting after the weekend of partying or whatever it's like.

Dr. Cari:

How do I show up to love myself structurally, how? How do I choose to show up to love myself biochemically, like what do I choose to eat? And I've been meaning to get that air purifier or that water purification system, like I'm going to bite the bullet today. That feels very important. I'm going to put good quality water in my body. It makes up 70 to 90% of my body and brain. Why would I not put in good quality water that's loving for me? I'm going to choose to do that, so it's like showing up for yourself. And then how do I choose to show it for myself, lovingly?

Dr. Cari:

On an emotional level, do I feel extra stress? Should I color in a coloring book? Should I do a guided meditation? Should I pick up some Jodhisthvensa, or do I want to, whatever it may be? Or do I want to schedule an appointment with someone like myself who can practice neuromotional technique or Q and R, t or any of these other emotional techniques that can support things that just aren't making sense? You just know you're stressed and things are not great. Right, how can, again, moving into 2024, how can I show up to love myself just a little bit more?

Renee:

And for me, yeah, and if you can't, if you're like, no, I don't need to do anything, that's a big red flag. That's where you start calling be optimal health and wellness and let them get you bitch slappy into something, because if nothing changes and you can have fear around trying to move into health, the financial piece that I got to do the work I don't know what to eat, oh my God, just too much. No, fuck it. Like I'm not going to do it.

Dr. Cari:

You could get busy living for death, or you can get busy living for life. No, and it's like I brought up to someone, hey, and I was being reserved. I was actually being conservative because I knew what they really needed was once a week and I thought, just commit to coming in once a month. And the answer was, oh my God, once a month is so much, that's. And I'm like, wow, if that's too much, I was reserved. I think you should come once a week. You're a disaster. But okay, if that's too much shit, we're probably in a big trouble here because, right, you're very busy Living for death, very right, living for death.

Renee:

and the old saying right If you don't make time for your health, we'll make time for you. All the, all the sayings that Dr I have.

Renee:

I mean it's great and we're not and we're not here to throw metaphors at you guys Like this is just about getting quiet for one minute. If you get, if everybody got quiet for one minute of the day, in the morning or after lunch or whenever you have one minute and just think what do I, what can I do for myself? Maybe I'm going to take one minute of meditation, because all I can do in a day Great, do one minute. Maybe I'm going to spray a flower essence that takes what? Two seconds? I mean something Right. And if you're stuck and you don't want to do something again, red flag reach out for help. Let somebody partner with you and your health, let somebody guide you, let somebody shine the light for you so that you can move into optimal health.

Dr. Cari:

Yeah, and if I may just share a little bit about my center, please, yeah, we have three, including myself, three chiropractic kinesiologists. I've got a Chinese medicine doctor who actually certified in something called synergetica. He's the only one, I think, in the States or in the Midwest that that does synergetica.

Renee:

Which is can you?

Janine:

what is that?

Dr. Cari:

I can only explain it, semi, because I don't do it, but it uses he's sort of like mirror things and it I've never felt it totally shifts the way your energy moves and rebalances the meridians in your body. He is gifted. You can try out like a mini session with him and that alone like does it? Dr J R is super brilliant. He has a PhD in Chinese medicine. He got in China, he lived in China, he speaks like five languages. The guy's brilliant. He's really quite amazing, j R. He does Chinese medicine.

Dr. Cari:

We have Dr Jason Penchick, who's a nurse practitioner. He does peptides, including, like the latest semi-glutide stuff right, really helping people to stay their life. There have been a handful of patients it's it's night and day difference where it was just non-negotiable and they needed help. Now Semi-glutides the answer for that, in my opinion. And then IV nutrition. He does a bioidentical hormones. We do ozone nasal, auricular, anal, vaginal, as well as IV ozone which can kill bacteria and fungus and moles and just all those things. It's incredible and at least that's what we find. Okay, I think clinically it's pretty powerful. And then we have a foot detox lady who helps to detoxify all the crud, the dead cells out of your body. This is right, this is our crazy Italian lady. She's amazing.

Dr. Cari:

And then we have a bunch of different light therapies and one of the things we have a massage therapist and so on, but one of the things that there was a guy that had a near death experience and when he came back you basically said humans are depleted of light energy and what really allows us to thrive and regenerate is light. And this was way like decades ago, before the whole light therapy, red light therapy, whatever was like a fad. Right now it's a fad, but it's a solid fad, because the truth is humans are depleted of light. We don't get enough. We're inside more, there's all kinds of weird weather things that we just don't get as much sun Right, and we need light to generate instead of regenerate.

Dr. Cari:

So he came up with what was initially called dream spots, now called the origin light. It has red, blue, amber and infrared light that comes in. It comes over your head like a helmet, it comes through your face, like your eyes, basically, and it feeds the mitochondria of your cells. We also have something called Therafi, which I think I mentioned before, which also feeds life, giving light, giving energy in a very powerful way, creating a cold plasma field. It's very quantum nerdy but I love it. It's the quantum physics piece.

Renee:

It's. Yeah, so you said that gentleman was the guy that made the dream spot. I know the dream spots.

Dr. Cari:

Yeah, it looks like a little dome and so, and then another company, yeah, so I can't remember the guy's name. It's like on the tip of my tongue.

Dr. Cari:

So I came into invent it, but he had a near death experience and that is how it came to be. So I first learned about it I thought it was the biggest hunk of bunk. I was like this is whack. I was so skeptical because to me I'm putting my Carrie J stamp of approval Like I need to know that it's solid, and I just thought it was the weirdest. Two years later I saw this guy that was using it every day and I was in mid sentence. I was like David, you look younger and he's like oh, I am. I'm like what he's like? We use dreams for every day and I'm telling you, this guy is environmental sensitive. You've never died as hair, ever. He would die. His hair went from gray to dark again.

Renee:

Yeah, I'm painting on the stuff on my grays because I don't want to talk about it.

Dr. Cari:

I'm telling you, he, yeah, he, I don't have gray, but he his ring, he didn't have the same amount of wrinkles. I was like what?

Renee:

is happening. I mean that's, yeah, that's. And do you now? Do you offer that in your office?

Dr. Cari:

Yeah, so then his partner was like oh, carrie, I thought my eyes were getting worse and I went to get them checked. It turns out they corrected so that she was almost 20, 20, and she had the worst vision for the longest time. But doing this every day, her body stopped degenerating and started regenerating. And where it showed up for her First like really like where she really noticed, was her eyesight. And after that conversation I was like all right, I'm in, I'll buy one. Yeah, that's the winter blues and people that have seasonal defective disorder and really struggle in the wintertime.

Renee:

Huge, when you get light therapy, it totally 180s it, not only is it regenerative, it helps with opening up cell cellular health and probably detoxification, like for me, my I said I know is from my liver, like my floaters are from my liver. So again it's detoxification, emotions everything that I'm working on. But I love what you said earlier about the ozone therapy I have. I know Dr Heria sees a ton of patients.

Renee:

I see a lot of clients with a lot of vaginal issues, undiagnosed bladder pain and UTIs that are not UTIs or not infections but doctors going to throw the antibiotics at it. Anyway, but for me, helping people with a lower histamine diet and helping them that way to remove some of that stress. But when the vaginal biome and all the microbiomes are out of balance and remember, guys, your vaginal biome for us women is an extension of your microbiome right, everything goes down. So if you got crotch issues, look at the gut. But if you need extra help and you need something like specific there, the ozone therapy sounds like it could be a wonderful tool, but vaginosis is very difficult to get rid of.

Dr. Cari:

For women it tends to be Like I think, if you do it a couple times a week, three times would be ideal, but a couple times a week, like I want to say I think Dr Jason said like at least six to eight times, it can literally handle it.

Renee:

Like for me, I full transparency, I struggle with issues down under and I've got, I feel I see like I have an autoimmune crotch and my stuff like goes there right Physical abuse, sexual abuse. Of course something's going to land there, and I would definitely be interested in trying some different chemical makeup for myself down there as well too.

Dr. Cari:

So you can actually insert Megaspore into the vaginal canal, which is a sporobiotic.

Dr. Cari:

Yeah, I have one of the things that Dr Tom Bain, who created microbiome labs in Megaspore. He basically said don't use coconut oil, it actually creates leaky gut and a lot of the solacellates, right, yeah, he said in order to create a leaky gut in the dogs, in dogs in order to, like, see if they could fix it, they just fed him a lot of coconut oil and everybody thinks it's like the best thing ever. He told me people use it. I don't use it. Yeah, he just use olive oil. Or you can use water. Yeah, just whatever. When you're inserting, I actually use beef towel, yeah, so there it is, but you can throw in.

Janine:

I have a suggestion for both of you, ladies. So I am willing to like literally go in the cold just to utilize your services. I think what's stopping both of you from doing a retreat where it's just like a wellness, because they have yoga retreats, they have like women's retreat, but can we just do a week long like people just flying from everywhere and they get digestive health? They get a little of this, a little of that. And they are reborn again. Yes, that sounds good.

Dr. Cari:

Yes, I'm into it. Are you guys familiar with Edgar Casey?

Renee:

Of course I am yes, of course. So do you know, Edgar Casey.

Dr. Cari:

I've heard the name Okay. So he was way ahead of his time and actually he channeled. I thought he was crazy or whatever, but he channeled in information. People would call him. He would basically channel in and say you go to the store, to the back of the store, and on this second shelf, just to the left of a red bottle, you'll find this medicine and that's going to cure you. And like it did, it was nothing. No one could cure this person and it was just stuff like that. I could go on and on. It's so cool. I've just read a lot. I've read a lot of Edgar Casey and he ended up creating like a health center, basically on the sea, like I want to say, in the Carolinas maybe I think so, yeah, and it was just like a very beautiful setting.

Dr. Cari:

And he would just channel in and he would say you need three chiropractic adjustments a week and you need to get acupuncture and you need to only eat this, and then people would just stay there until they got healthy and they would be like rolling, crawling, not be able to walk, not be able to talk, not be able to whatever, and in a few weeks they would be able to like walk, run, jump and their health was back. But he had a whole team of doctors and people so that whatever they were needing, they would be able to get all that healing and health there. So they would sleep there and the whole thing. And really it was this whole retreat for them to just find wellness and health. And again this was like way like hundreds of years ago.

Renee:

Yeah, and there are places like that it's a vision of mine.

Dr. Cari:

I've always been like I need to do that. And did I know Edgar Casey or WeBuddies? Maybe did I? Probably. It feels so familiar to me. But when you say that, janine, I'm like, yeah, I want to do that, I would love to do that. People just need to pay, yeah. And a lot of people are like, why is this? No, I have to be able to like support.

Dr. Cari:

What I would do if I'm in my office and it creates people are like I just it needs to cost 80 bucks and it's. I'm literally giving $10,000 worth of stuff. It's got to be worth at least a thousand or whatever. So I'm super down with doing something, but it is a lot to carry. Like I have a homeopathic pharmacy, I have all my store. I have like the laser lights and the GRT lights and my blocks and all the flower essences, like three different kinds in the whole entire thing. So I want to be able to give people what they need and what they desire. But I would rock a retreat any day, anywhere, warm and delicious, like the Caribbean. Yes, I would rock a retreat at the optimal too, and do it like for a full weekend or week and just have it be where people could come and like super good to just pay to get all the things that whatever they need.

Dr. Cari:

Yeah, you can charge all the three to five K or whatever. Like you can pick up boxes or whatever they need.

Renee:

Yeah, yeah, it's like different shared packages or whatever.

Janine:

I would fly to Illinois to do this.

Dr. Cari:

Yeah, renee, you had to get your ass into be optimal?

Renee:

I will, I definitely. I would love it. Bring little talks on nutrition can take that load off the optimal. They do all that there too, but that's they don't need to do that part, they can do their stuff, I'd much rather have someone who's super.

Dr. Cari:

That's your passion and you can walk people through and hold their hands, because that's not what I love to do. I can tell them. But then they're like oh my God, but I'm freaking out, I need recipes and I need it. I'm like go see Renee, but that would be so much fun.

Renee:

I would love that. I would love to have some kind of retreat where people are just coming and feeling their body change, just feeling it shift for the better. When you can feel that shift in your body and you know that everything's okay and you've got a wonderful team. I feel so honored to be with Dr Carrie and her team. They're just phenomenal. She's very particular about who she has working with her, so she has only exceptional, from her receptionist front desk to everybody. They're just you, just handheld through her whole office and you're cared for like a person, you're not a number. They know your name. In fact, one of the girls that works for Dr Carrie brought her daughter into see me years ago. So we're all always connected. It's always about connection and having the right tools and having some tools. So again I want to lovingly encourage everybody who's listening and again thank you for your emails and your questions last time that I had Dr Carrie on and be happy to have her on as many times as you guys want. We're here to give you support, ideas, suggestions.

Renee:

Pause, little bit of pause, dog pause, pa USC pause for your health, for your wellness, for not only for you, but for your family, for your loved ones, for your kids, for your uncles, for your neighbors, for people who are struggling. We all have people in our life that we love. We all know people that are struggling with some kind of health issue. Get some kind of advice, opinion. You can call Dr Carrie's office from out of state. I take out of state clients as well too, because everything that I do is virtual. We're happy to have a conversation with you about what we can do to help you. So if you guys have questions, of course you can find Dr Carrie and her team at the. Optimal Health and Wellness are located in Skokie, illinois. You can find me at thetummymusperercom. I'm located here in Fox Lake, illinois, on the border of Wisconsin out far, but do I love it out here?

Dr. Cari:

And I want to invite everybody to come in. Janine's going to plan a logistical. She's going to plan a logistic of an amazing retreat sometime soon. Bye.

Janine:

Think about it. People and on that note, I'm listening to this entire conversation and what's so amazing is that people have a team of, let's say, doctors Like how many older people do you know of that say, oh, I have a team of doctors, I have an endocrinologist, I have a proctologist, I have a. Why can't you have a team of wellness? And then you don't necessarily need not to downplay that, but we need to start living and not start backtracking, like you were saying. It's so much easier than waiting to die or waiting to right. Why do you need a team of doctors that are constantly trying to fix you? Why don't you just get a team that's gonna keep you healthy as long as they can? I think that's like the new way of living.

Renee:

Well, and more people want a holistic approach. I'm sure Dr Carey hears this. All the time my clients come to me like, how do I get off my omeprazole? I'm like, yeah, love to get you off of that because it's causing more issues. People don't want to be on medications. They would rather not, but they are because they feel like it's gonna put their body in balance and maybe it is a little. It bridges the gap for keeping you alive for the moment, right, so that your blood pressure is regulated and you're not having acid pouring up into your throat from an ileosphingter valve or a gluten or an emotion or whatever it is. And that's okay to bridge the gap.

Renee:

But those I'm gonna say it medications are not long-term unless it's something big. That's out of our wheelhouse, right. All that nutritional medications which are your blood pressure medications and your proton pump inhibitors and all that stuff, that's all nutritional medication. That's the body out of balance nutritionally and emotionally and everything that we talked about earlier. Not just nutritionally, but if your blood pressure is up, you're blocked with a detoxification pathway, you're eating a high histamine food, you have some old childhood trauma, all of the above right, it's everything. Get off your meds, guys, unless they're here to keep you alive, and depending on what that is. But again, nutritional medication is the stuff that you need for your blood pressure.

Dr. Cari:

You cannot get off meds unless you start to change your way. That's it. This is what this is about.

Dr. Cari:

People will try because they really want to, but they didn't change anything about what they're doing in their life. And then they fail and that creates a trauma. So now they're scared to ever get off of it because the two times they tried was so traumatic to get off the antidepressant, the anti-anxiety, the whatever. And I'm like I have a few that come in. They're like yeah, I'm having anxiety, can't sleep. I'm like, dude, it sounds to me like you have a progesterone issue, not an anxiety issue. And to get their hormones. Right now they're able to get off and they're like oh, life's great and well. It's like, yeah, because we want to go through a pause. We didn't cover up the symptom of like why you're having anxiety in the first place and when, again, there's been all this trauma. If we're not handling the trauma, you can't get off those antidepressants. You're running 190 miles per hour into a brick wall. That thing is slowing you down a little bit until we can handle some of the cavity, because that's the problem.

Renee:

And then people get really scared about getting off of it Well, because their doctors also tell them like proton pump and hemorrhage should really be taken less than two weeks. That's the standard. But many doctors say, oh, you're fine, but they don't look at how it actually shuts off your digestion and causes a work of it, makes the symptoms worse. Makes the symptoms worse.

Renee:

So again, but people do need to feel better, so we honor that. But at the end of the day, guys, if you want to get off your meds and you're not feeling good and you need some help, we are here to help you, give you some ideas and help you in health not in sickness, right In sickness and in health. That's what we tell doctors.

Janine:

Nice one. That was good, Renee yeah.

Renee:

Thank you everybody for joining us today. I want to wish everybody a wonderful, healthy weekend. We're going to have Dr Karyan In fact, I want to have Dr Naomi on, yeah yeah, she said she would love to come on and I want to again invite everybody to take charge of your health. Reach out to us with any questions and we will see everybody in a couple of weeks. Janine can take it from here. Download, share, like I always need. That's your part.

Janine:

Yes, please go to Apple Podcasts, spotify, google, anywhere you listen to podcast and download, share the podcast and leave a five star rating, which goes a long way in the podcast ecosystem.

Renee:

Yeah, Thanks everybody. Thank you again, Dr Kary, for making the time out of your very busy day. We appreciate it and we love you. Thank you.

Dr. Cari:

I appreciate it. Thanks so much, ok, yeah.